Filmmakers Notebook #116
THE MORMONS' GALILEO: PROFESSOR
STEVEN E. JONES
A COVER-UP, I GUESS YOU’D HAVE TO CALL IT THAT BYU physics prof Steven
E. Jones, in this interview of June 3, 2006 in Chicago, exposed gaping
holes in the official story of 9/11, revealing the probable explosives
used to bring the three World Trade Centers down (thermite, super-thermite…).
With natural reluctance Dr. Jones drew the inevitable conclusions that
9/11 was an inside job followed by “a cover-up. I guess you’d have to
call it that.” [transcription below; video 28:30]
Subsequently, just days before the 5th anniversary of the crimes of
9/11, Brigham Young University suspended Professor Jones. The highly
respected Mormon university in Provo, Utah on Sept. 7, 2006 issued
“UNIVERSITY OFFICALS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASINGLY SPECULATIVE
AND ACCUSATORY NATURE OF THESE STATEMENTS BY DR. JONES.”
The university – which has no tenure system -- took the rare measure
against Jones, who’s taught there since 1985, removing him from his
classroom: ‘Go home! We’ll send you your check.’ The reason, they
explain is that there is
“…A QUESTION ABOUT [THE] PROFESSOR’S PERFORMANCE IN CITIZENSHIP,
SCHOLARSHIP OR TEACHING.”
Just so. He excels in all three areas and therefore must go.
|During our June interview with Professor Jones
(transcribed below), I wondered what it meant that the Monolithic
Mormon Church would let one of their own continue to expose the
lies of the government, at odds with their own complicit senators
Hatch and Bennett, et alia? Physicist Jones is a
Mormon-in-good-standing. Does his freedom to tell the truth
reflect some split in the monolith? Will Church Leader Gordon
Hinckley give George W. Bush back his Medal of Freedom? How could
it be? The Beehive State supplies the FBI & CIA with many if not
most of its bubble-headed (true believer) agents. If the LDS
command center in Salt Lake City allows one of their own from BYU
to expose the 9/11 hoax, the whole trance state is in jeopardy! It
could even undermine the fragile Mormon belief system. Are the
Latter Day Saints taking leave of their nonsenses?
Fat chance. Steven E. Jones put the Church’s britches in a knot. Even
Jones’ colleagues in the sciences at BYU agreed with his questions
when he dutifully first presented them at a university colloquium in
early 2006. What to do? worries the Mormon inquisition: Go with
Popular Mechanics over their distinguished professor of physics, and
other faculties? Fire one of their own, a Latter Day Saint in good
standing, fellow-believer in the Angel Moroni, son of Mormon, who
delivered the Golden Plates to Joseph Smith!?
So now the Mormons have a Galileo on their hands, like the Jews had
their Spinoza, and Mordecai Vanunu (et alia). The LDS risks exposing
its own complicity in the cover-up by the very act of censuring their
brave, believing, patriotic physicist. How hard will they lean on
Elder Steven E. Jones’ extended family and friends throughout
Mormon-land to force the truth-teller to shut up, to submit?
The Inquisition condemned Galileo Galilei as heretical in 1616 for
questioning the earth-centered planetary system. Just 16 years earlier
the Church fired Giordano Bruno at the stake for espousing views such
as Galileo’s. Galileo was eventually sentenced to life in prison. Or
in Galileo’s special case, to house arrest under constant guard by the
In the BYU/LDS inquisition, according to the official statement,
“Jones’ work is being reviewed by university administration, the
College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the Physics
Department.” Will these people sign off on silencing Jones? Will they
find rationalizations for their dishonesty, cowardice and/or
treachery? Will they be given pay raises, new job titles, or medals?
Will the Godly Mormons say, in effect, that they have made a mistake
in producing such an honest, creative person as Mormon Steven E.
Jones? What of the words of Latter Day Saints Prophet Hinkley, church
leader since the 30s, who is everywhere quoted as saying "You cannot
keep good people from doing good."
Reflected in part by Prof. Jones’ iceberg metaphor, the highly
centralized LDS knows that a paradigm shift-type crash is on the U.S.’
horizon. But Church elders seem to be planning to ride it* out by
directing membership to store up food, water and medicine. Accept,
adapt and don’t interfere with the collective cognitive imperative,
the Bush “war on terror,” the unrelenting mass killing and
nation-destruction which is based foremost on the lie that the U.S.
was attacked on 9/11 by Al Qaida. The lie that the Mormon professor is
A note from a reader Brad adds an additional perspective:
I applaud your article on Steven E. Jones regarding 911 and his
release from BYU
As a former Mormon this topic is of great interest to me. The LDS
church has a lot of control over its members who are constantly
reminded to “follow the prophet” (current “prophet” is Gordon
Hinckley), despite whether what he says seems logical or not. This
control could very easily be used by people within the government who
have an ‘in’ with the Mormon leaders. It just so happens that Hinckley
received a Medal of Freedom from Bush in June of 2004.
You may or may not be aware that Gordon Hinckley met with Pres. Bush
just ONE WEEK BEFORE Steven Jones was released (or put on
administrative leave or whatever you want to call it) from his job at
BYU (for more information see this article: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/images/20060831-1_g015517-515h.html
). This seems far more to me that merely a coincidence. Who knows what
kind of pointers Bush slipped to Hinckley (who is probably
well-meaning, but surely isn’t the all-seeing prophet that Mormon’s
think, of course) about the ‘nutcase’ who is tarnishing his church’s
name. And since the Mormon church’s main concern is image and
recruitment, I don’t doubt that it was something that had to be taken
care of right away. And so it was. This isn’t the first time that BYU
professors and others have been fired or excommunicated for bringing
to light things that put the LDS church in a bad light (however in
most other cases it is regarding their much tarnished history).
(photo caption: Mormon Church Leader Gordon Hinckley and G.W. Bush,
June 23, 2004. They met again in Salt Lake City, a week before Steven
E. Jones was excommunicated from BYU.
. Re the reference to “ride it out,” what “it” is explicated plainly
enough by James Lovelock in his most recent book, The Revenge of Gaia.
Filmmakers’notebook #116 by Roy Harvey who, as an Air Force brat, in
1956 lived in Bountiful and Centerville Utah for a year among Mormons
and Jack Mormons.
Professor Jones interview conducted in Chicago at the June 2-4, 2006
9-11 conference at the O’Hare Hilton sponsored by 9-11truth.org and
MUJCA-NET. Questions posed by Barrie Zwicker, author of the important
book Towers of Deception (the Media Cover-up of 9/11), and Karen
Harvey and Roy Harvey of Snowshoefilms.
[Picture: the Chicago audience at the O’Hare Hilton enters ballroom to
hear Prof. Jones speak]
Snowshoefilms: What prompted your suspicions about the official story
Professor Steven E. Jones: As I look back, I can see a number of
neighbors, friends who nudged me along, suggesting that I look into
Finally I did look at a 9-11 video but – this was now perhaps three
years ago, so it was quite a while ago – it didn’t impress me too
much; but then I had a few other nudges. Finally someone said at a
conference I was at, they made a comment, ‘Well if you think that
those towers came down just because they were hit by jet liners, you
have some major surprises ahead.’ And then the audience just started
applauding. And I thought, ‘Well, I guess I… I don’t know what they’re
talking about. I better look into this. ‘ And so I did start studying
at that point, on my own. And this is just uh, just over a year ago,
actually. And I…. but I jumped right into it and studied it on the
web, very thoroughly, I think. I landed, fortunately, at Jim Hoffman’s
website, wtc7.net. He has good research, references and so on, and
that got me started.
Snowshoefilms: What led you to speak out, to publish your research?
Steven E. Jones: There’s a professor Marcus Ford, he’s at a university
in Arizona, and on 911truth[.org] he had an invitation, basically,
‘Are there any other academics who are studying 9-11?’ And I responded
right away. To tell you the truth I felt a little uneasy about
responding, but I did and shortly after that I received a request to
write an article, my studies, what impressed me – the collapse of
Building 7 caught my I immediately, and so…. and a number of other
things, the use of thermite in the buildings, that hypothesis, and
then that led into some research. So then I put together this paper
which appeared…. well, actually before the paper I gave a colloquium
at my university [Brigham Young University, Provo Utah] in September
And the response to that at first was quite hostile but as I went on,
I mean we went on for a couple of hours and people, finally…. I said,
‘Well, do you think that this should be investigated?’ That was my
question. And all but one – and this was mostly professors; there were
about 70 people there – so, all but one said ‘Yes, this should be
investigated. And the next day that one, a geology professor said,
‘I’ve changed my mind. I think you need to investigate this.’
Snowshoefilms: What were your findings about Building 7?
Steven E. Jones: As I first studied 9-11 I first looked at the
collapse of Building 7, World Trade Center 7 which is a 47-story
skyscraper – or was – that collapsed on September 11th 2001. What
caught my eye and my attention right away was that it collapsed so
symmetrically – straight down – it didn’t topple to one side or the
other. It collapsed straight down, and very rapidly.
And yet this was, according to the official story, due to some damage
on the south side, primarily, and random fires – for which the
evidence of…. I mean, it’s…. I couldn’t perceive of how a building of
that size could come down with random fires so symmetrically. This
violates my sense of probabilities. And then, of course, the rapidity
of that. I studied with students. It’s about six-and-a-half seconds
for the collapse if you look at the southwest roof, which we did. Just
focus on that southwest roof, the corner of the roof and count as it
Which means, as we look at…. I mean, freefall time is 6.0 seconds. So
we looked at the conservation of momentum and energy and it should
have taken considerably longer than that. And I looked at this with a
mathematician. And his numbers…. just the conservation of momentum,
[Conservation of momentum: For a collision occurring between object 1
and object 2 in an isolated system, the total momentum of the two
objects before the collision is equal to the total momentum of the two
objects after the collision. That is, the momentum lost by object 1 is
equal to the momentum gained by object 2. ]*
not even accounting for the stiffness of the core columns
[video insert 05:17 insert core columns, Bldg 7]
in the building, these huge steel columns supporting the building,
just ignoring those – just the momentum of one floor hitting the other
and being slowed by the next floor is already over eight seconds….
Snowshoefilms: In looking at the molten metal – both in the
sub-basements and pouring out of the buildings before they collapsed
led you to questioning what kind of explosive could create such
Steven E. Jones: The other thing that I looked at and contributed to
was the question of the molten metal pouring out…. particularly out of
the south tower. As soon as I saw that, that really caught my eye.
PICTURE: 60 SECONDS / METAL POURS FROM A WTC BLDG
Here is this yellow-hot molten metal, liquid metal pouring out of the
building in large quantities, and uh…. I had previously worked with
aluminum, liquid aluminum. It didn’t look anything like liquid
aluminum which is silvery, like aluminum foil even at elevated
temperatures in daylight conditions, aluminum still looks
silvery-gray. And so this, on the other hand was definitely an
orange-yellow, bright, glowing yellow color, which looked very much
like iron. It looked like thermite.
The product of… here it’s a little technical but this reaction, this
chemical reaction, thermite reaction involves aluminum powder and iron
oxide powder. The oxygen transfers from the iron oxide to the aluminum
to make aluminum oxide which comes off as a white dust. And the other
product is molten, white-hot, white or yellow-hot molten iron which
just flows away from the reaction.
Well, if you look at these pictures in detail, the south tower, you
see both of that: you see the white-hot yellow flowing out of the
building, in abundance. And you see the white dust coming off.
I mean this is just prima facie evidence for the termite reaction.
Then I looked at other evidence. Recently we’ve analyzed a sample of
the previously molten metal which we were able to obtain. Two samples
actually. They most assuredly are not molten aluminum that’s
solidified, but rather the iron content is very high. And there’s also
sulfur in these samples which is a common practice when one wants to
cut steel with thermite, then you add sulfur to the thermite. So you
have aluminum powder, iron oxide and you add sulfur to that when you
ignite it. Now it cuts through steel very rapidly. And sure enough, we
found sulfur in this previously molten metal. I believe that’s a
contribution that I’ve made to this field, this study.
But I should say that others have…. particularly Professor Jonathan
Barnett and his colleagues in Massachusetts did notice sulfidation of
steel. That’s a little different aspect but the same signature, you
see. Steel heated very hot, structural steel in these World Trade
Center buildings. Heated very hot, at least to a thousand centigrade.
And then he saw sulfidation in the steel which is again a means of
cutting through the steel very rapidly. He did not raise the
possibility of thermite but it fits like a glove. The data that he
observed, as well as the data we have analyzed, solidified previously
liquid metal and just the visual evidence that many people have now
seen. The liquid metal flowing out of the south tower just before its
For thermite to have been used in these buildings to bring them down….
again, Building 7 was not even hit by a plane, so to suppose that a
plane hitting the Towers brought down Building 7 is already a stretch.
Snowshoefilms: What are the implications of the evidence you’ve
Steven E. Jones: As I’ve said, we’ve looked at this evidence for
thermite being used. By the way, we find molten metal in the basement
areas of all three skyscrapers: both towers and Building 7, you see.
Suggesting that thermite was used then in all three buildings. A very
strong evidence, actually, for that.
So the implications are, it takes time to load this thermite material
into the buildings, of course. And pre-planning would certainly take
weeks. Actually installing thermite would require access into the
And this would explain how they could fall so rapidly, and
symmetrically. Using thermite or super-thermite, a variant, to…. which
is…. super-thermite is actually explosive. So…. or a combination, more
than likely. So using this thermite then, to bring these buildings
down, would require access, insider knowledge, certainly.
And the implications are rather enormous, I mean, uh…. As I look at
this further, I realize that there are – the United States air
defenses were down that day. They, they…. In the year prior to 9/11,
the United States had sent up military jets to intercept hijacked or
errant -- as soon as a plane goes off track, we send up a military
jet. -- sixty-seven times in the year before 9/11. And here on this
day, and that just takes five to 10 minutes typically, to send a jet
up and intercept. Five minutes is ample time in the Washington D.C.
area, for example.
So here we have four hijacked planes and no interceptions, as far as
we know. I mean, they’re saying, well, no interceptions that day. This
implies somebody inhibited the interceptions. And there are many other
aspects that come in. I mean, just a small one comes to mind, but
important. FEMA, which so slow in getting going to help the people
after Hurricane Katrina, you remember
13:40 As citizens, we have a right redress for grievances. and as
worldwide citizens, we have a right to the truth and to an end to wars
[based] on the pretext of 9/11. I mean, we can all see what’s happened
since 9/11 [16:08 – repeat as audio in closing credits].
15:20 The Firemen’s testimony: insert statement by fireman: boom boom
boom boom. (insert at 15:33:13)
17:03:21 There are no examples of buildings collapsing due to fire. It
just doesn’t happen.
17:16 NIST REPORT FIRES (insert)
*(The Physics Classroom, Glenbrook High School, Glenbrook, Illinois)